Re: Problem with G3 Front Page access/ NT Server


Daniel L. Schwartz(expresso[at]snip.net)
Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:39:50 -0500


WinMac Digest #282 - Monday, April 12, 1999

  Re: Problem with G3 Front Page access/ NT Server
          by "Holly Hegeman" <hhegeman@planebusiness.com>
  NT User Policy Question
          by "Jeffrey D. Niederauer" <jdn@pobox.com>
  DHCP: to be or not to be?
          by "Lesley Vita" <lesley.vita@darwin.ntu.edu.au>
  Re: [WinMac] DHCP: to be or not to be?
          by "Tim Scoff" <casper@nb.net>
  Re: [WinMac] DHCP: to be or not to be?
          by "Michael Bartosh" <bartosh@tamu.edu>
  VPC Printing Gibberish to HP 6MP
          by "John Santora" <bbstenor@home.com>
  Re: DHCP: to be or not to be?
          by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
  Re: [WinMac] VPC Printing Gibberish to HP 6MP
          by "Bruce Johnson" <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
  [WinMac] NT login and Mac access problem
          by "Michael Bolton" <Michael.Bolton@Colorado.EDU>
  Re: [WinMac] Re: DHCP: to be or not to be?
          by "Dean Suhr" <DeanSuhr@CarpeDIS.com>
  Re: Problem with G3 Front Page access/ NT Server
          by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>

Subject: Re: Problem with G3 Front Page access/ NT Server
From: "Holly Hegeman" <hhegeman@planebusiness.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:38:22 -0500
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Hi there folks. I have a problem that I hope someone can help with. My
webmaster just loaded the latest service pack on our new web server that is
using Windows NT. However, as we get ready to go live with the new site, I
can not now access FrontPage, which is the program we use to manage our
website.

I can log on to the server, and the program starts doing its thing. However,
when it comes time for the files to appear in the window from Front Page,
the program stops and a warning that says "An Unexpected Exception has
occurred" comes up on the screen. Just to make life more interesting, the
server has also sent about 10 of the same messages in a row, one on top of
another, right before it crashed my machine on other occasions.

This is driving us mad, as of course, my website manager can access the site
with his Windows version of FrontPage just fine. But neither I, nor my
assistant, who also uses a G3 can do so. It is not an 8.5 issue, either, as
my assistant has 8.1. And, we can both still access our old version of the
site, which is still housed on another NT server (an older version of the
service packs are on that one however.)

Anyone have a clue? I really do not want to have to go buy virtual PC and
load FrontPage for Windows. When someone mentioned yesterday about the
issues surrounding loading both the number three and four versions of the
service pack that sounded like that might be a solution here as well.

Thanks much for any insight anyone can provide.

Holly Hegeman
CEO
PlaneBusiness.com

Subject: NT User Policy Question
From: "Jeffrey D. Niederauer" <jdn@pobox.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:38:24 -0500
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I'm on a NT4 network with windows and mac clients and would like to set up
a "general" account with a specific username and password. However, since
this would be a share account, I don't want the account to be locked out
after x number of invalid password attempts, as it would also lock out
legit users of the account.

Can anyone tell me how to set such policies on an individual account? (I'm
not afraid of the registry)...

Additional Question: Should I consider using the NT guest account? Can I
assign a password for it? Will that account be exempt from being locked
out? Can I access that account from a Mac client without using the "Guest"
radio-button on the login screen?

Thanks for your help!

Jeffrey Niederauer

Subject: DHCP: to be or not to be?
From: Lesley Vita <lesley.vita@darwin.ntu.edu.au>
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:51:04 -0500
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Hi all,

My university is slowly shifting to DHCP from static IPs at the behest of
our support staff. I can accept that life is easier for them (or they think
it will be) under DHCP, but what's in it for us users?

We have the usual 10baseT TCP/IP network with multiple subnets and mixed
Mac and PC platforms. Servers are NT, Novell and Unix.

 From my reading of this and other lists, I foresee problems for users. I'm
particularly concerned about Mac users (of which I am one). So do we (PC
and Mac users) gain or lose by this change? All informed opinions and
experiences are welcome as I'd like to garner views from all sides of the
issue.

Regards,

Lesley Vita

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Subject: Re: [WinMac] DHCP: to be or not to be?
From: Tim Scoff <casper@nb.net>
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 00:50:53 -0500
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>Hi all,
>
>My university is slowly shifting to DHCP from static IPs at the behest of
>our support staff. I can accept that life is easier for them (or they think
>it will be) under DHCP, but what's in it for us users?
>
>We have the usual 10baseT TCP/IP network with multiple subnets and mixed
>Mac and PC platforms. Servers are NT, Novell and Unix.
>
>From my reading of this and other lists, I foresee problems for users. I'm
>particularly concerned about Mac users (of which I am one). So do we (PC
>and Mac users) gain or lose by this change? All informed opinions and
>experiences are welcome as I'd like to garner views from all sides of the
>issue.

        Actually end users can gain just as much as the support staff
gains with a DHCP environment.

        First, they don't have to visit every computer when the IP
addresses of the DNS servers change. That means that when one of
them dies and an emergency replacement is installed the support staff
can change the settings on the DHCP server and every computer using
the DHCP server will have the correct DNS server addresses.

        Second, if you have a laptop and the university has multiple
subnets you can take it to any room with an active network port and
plug it in and have all of it's settings automatically configured for
the subnet that you are on. This is something that is starting to
happen where I work and to date our solution has been to configure
many laptops with two static IP addresses which doesn't always work
perfectly. DHCP is a much smoother solution for the end user, and if
it's implemented properly you won't notice when you go from one
subnet to another, everything will just work.

        Third, you don't have to trust the support staff to type in
the correct IP setup information into your computer when they set
things up, or you don't have to worry about typing in the correct
information if you do that yourself. This is very important when you
are dealing with a couple of hundred computers or more. Anyone can
make a simple typing mistake, and if you do something too many times
it is more and more likely for a mistake like that to happen.

        The biggest benefit for the support staff is the ease of
tracking IP addresses with a DHCP setup. If you have static IP
addresses someone has to track every single IP address and manually
update a database somewhere every time something changes. That is a
lot of work, and where I work it wasn't taken care of very well in
the past. Right now we are in a situation where I just did a manual
inventory of every computer that my department has. We are assuming
that I got all but 5 - 10 of the computers and that we'll find those
computers over the next few months when we hand out the IP addresses
that we think aren't in use and get IP conflicts. What that means is
we're going to find the rest of them when the networking group turns
off the port that the unregistered computer is plugged into. What
has happened in the past was new IP addresses were handed out to
anyone who asked for them. Now we don't have any more so we have to
find the ones that were given to computers that are no longer on the
network so we can re-use them.
        This is also a huge benefit for you as an end user. Quite
simply with DHCP you don't have to worry about someone stealing your
IP address and kicking you off the network by mistake. Without DHCP
that is a very real possibility.

Tim Scoff, MCSE
casper@nb.net
<http://www.nb.net/~casper/>

Microsoft Windows NT 4.0. The world's only fully buzzword compliant
Operating System.

Subject: Re: [WinMac] DHCP: to be or not to be?
From: "Michael Bartosh" <bartosh@tamu.edu>
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 00:51:35 -0500
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As long as you are using a unix DHCP solution, you'll be OK. The problems
reported earlier were due to shoddy M$ implamentation of the protocal. I
has, in my experience, worked flawlessly with Macs when served from FreeBSD,
Linux, Solaris...

-mab

>

 Hi all,
>
> My university is slowly shifting to DHCP from static IPs at the behest of
> our support staff. I can accept that life is easier for them (or they think
> it will be) under DHCP, but what's in it for us users?
>
[snip]
>
> Regards,
>
> Lesley Vita

Subject: VPC Printing Gibberish to HP 6MP
From: "John Santora" <bbstenor@home.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 00:51:52 -0500
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Hello all,

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I have a problem printing through
Virtual PC.

I'm using VPC 2.1.2 on a PowerBook G3 Series/250 with MacOS 8.5.1, and Win95
(64MB RAM allocated) with the latest HP Win95 drivers just downloaded from
the HP site.

When I try to print from Win95 to the PostScript 6MP driver to LPT1:, I get
pages of gibberish, as if the printer was set for PCL but receiving raw PS.
I thought this was an auto-sensing printer. I also have the latest Mac
LaserWriter 8.6 driver, and a Desktop Printer defined with HP's PPD for the
6MP.

The VPC Preferences say to print through a PS driver. What gives? Should I
use a generic Apple LaserWriter driver? Or is something wrong with my
configs?

Thanks,

John Santora
Toronto, Canada
bbstenor@home.com

Subject: Re: DHCP: to be or not to be?
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:28:07 -0500
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        Dear Lesley,

        Tim Scoff raised some very good points; but there IS a downside: People
who have personal Web servers will have trouble keeping them up. You'll
still need to have assigned fixed IP address' for these machines.

        Another trap is if they try to implement a BootP - style of
DHCP: This is
where you, the user, supply the MAC address. I bumped into this at TCNJ
(The College of New Jersey, formerly Trenton State College), and it was one
gigantic cluster f***.

 ----------

        The DHCP client IS pretty good with the MacOS' Open
Transport, so at least
the MacOS users will have fewer support problems.

        In the final analysis, DHCP, **IF** implemented properly, can
be a godsend
for both support staff AND users alike. But there are a LOT of caveats.

        Happy surfing!
        Dan Schwartz

At 09:51 PM 4/11/99 -0500, Lesley wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>My university is slowly shifting to DHCP from static IPs at the behest of
>our support staff. I can accept that life is easier for them (or they think
>it will be) under DHCP, but what's in it for us users?
>
>We have the usual 10baseT TCP/IP network with multiple subnets and mixed
>Mac and PC platforms. Servers are NT, Novell and Unix.
>
> From my reading of this and other lists, I foresee problems for users. I'm
>particularly concerned about Mac users (of which I am one). So do we (PC
>and Mac users) gain or lose by this change? All informed opinions and
>experiences are welcome as I'd like to garner views from all sides of the
>issue.
>
>Regards,
>
>Lesley Vita

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Subject: Re: [WinMac] VPC Printing Gibberish to HP 6MP
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:28:09 -0500
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John Santora wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Sorry if this has been asked before, but I have a problem printing through
> Virtual PC.
>
> I'm using VPC 2.1.2 on a PowerBook G3 Series/250 with MacOS 8.5.1, and Win95
> (64MB RAM allocated) with the latest HP Win95 drivers just downloaded from
> the HP site.
>
> When I try to print from Win95 to the PostScript 6MP driver to LPT1:, I get
> pages of gibberish, as if the printer was set for PCL but receiving raw PS.

Yep, that's what's happening, likely. A PCL printer sees PS as plain text
(which it is...). Worse is a PCL printer accidentally chosen as the recipient
of a dot-matrix print job (happened once) then you get _hundreds_ of pages,
often with just one character printed on them somewhere.

> The VPC Preferences say to print through a PS driver. What gives? Should I
> use a generic Apple LaserWriter driver? Or is something wrong with my
> configs?

Go download Adobe's PostScript printer driver for Windows and install that on
the VPC side. End of problems. You'll need to get the HP PPD (PostScript
Printer Description) files from Adobe as well.

We've standardized on that driver for all our network printers (which we are
all now specifying to be PostScript, natch!), it seems to be the most
hassle-free solution.

Subject: [WinMac] NT login and Mac access problem
From: Michael Bolton <Michael.Bolton@Colorado.EDU>
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:28:18 -0500
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My experience has been that Apple Menu Options is just not worth the
trouble and is usually the root cause of the kind of hanging you mention.

I'd delete it entirely unless you have some pressing need. (MacFixit
(www.macfixit.com) document this problem as persistent and pervasive.

Let's hope that this is finally addressed with 8.6, apparently due any week
now.

Michael

Michael Bolton
Assistant to the Director
Environmental Health and Safety
CB 375
University of Colorado
Boulder, CO 80309
(303) 492-3721

Subject: Re: [WinMac] Re: DHCP: to be or not to be?
From: Dean Suhr <DeanSuhr@CarpeDIS.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:36:16 -0500
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I'm doing some experimenting with a dns mapping service that tracks a
changing IP. This way if a server goes down and then is reassigned a new
IP the DNS entries track right along. Would work with dial-up (a
variation of DHCP in the net result!)

<http://www.dynip.com/>

Dean

>>>>> On 4/12/99 9:28 AM, Daniel L. Schwartz wrote... <<<<<

> Tim Scoff raised some very good points; but there IS a downside: People
>who have personal Web servers will have trouble keeping them up. You'll
>still need to have assigned fixed IP address' for these machines.

Subject: Re: Problem with G3 Front Page access/ NT Server
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:39:50 -0500
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        Hi, Holly!

        Trying to do cross-platform Web site development can get
tricky, as there
aren't very many robust solutions out there. NetObjects TeamFusion Server
(not to be confused with their "Cold Fusion" standalone product) is one;
but NetObjects is dropping MacOS support.

        Both Mac & Windows have good Web authoring tools; but cross-platform
team-based tools are scarce... And as you see with FrontPage, they can also
be buggy.

        My suggestion: Pick a single platform for content creation and run with
it. You can still use the other platform for "standalone" work, i.e. use an
NT-based group of machines for your primary authoring tool use and use the
Macs for scanning and image prep. Use the best tool for the job: You don't
want to use a chopper for a transatlantic flight just as you don't want to
land a DC-9 on a skyscraper rooftop! :)

        Cheers!
        Dan

At 07:38 PM 4/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi there folks. I have a problem that I hope someone can help with. My
>webmaster just loaded the latest service pack on our new web server that is
>using Windows NT. However, as we get ready to go live with the new site, I
>can not now access FrontPage, which is the program we use to manage our
>website.
>
[snip]
>
>Holly Hegeman
>CEO
>PlaneBusiness.com

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