An invitation for a new list
Daniel L. Schwartz(expresso[at]snip.net)
Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:01:10 -0400
WinMac Digest #286 - Friday, April 16, 1999
Printing with IP from Mac to Win network
by "Mark Malson" <mmalson@colorsavvy.com>
Re: Printing with IP from Mac to Win network
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Re: list traffic (WinMac Digest #285 - 04/15/99)
by "David McKnight" <dmcknight@fleetwood.com>
An invitation for a new list
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Subject: Printing with IP from Mac to Win network
From: Mark Malson <mmalson@colorsavvy.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 05:31:57 -0500
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>Short Question: I'm trying to get postscript printouts from an HP8000 and a
>Xerox 32N which live on the PC side of our network.
>
Here are some other things to try. All may not apply cuz I'm not familiar
with the details of your printers.
1. You said they both have NT Queues associated with them? You should be
able to turn on Mac Printing on the NT Server and you'll be able to see
both of those guys as AppleTalk PostScript printers. This even works for
non PostScript printers -- NT's Printing Services for Mac (or whatever
it's called) has a PostScript RIP for PCL printers built in. It's
EXCRUCIATINGLY slow, however.
2. If they're Ethernet-connected printers, you should be able to
configure the printers themselves to be AppleTalk PostScript printers. If
they have HP JetDirect cards, you can download the JetAdmin software for
your Mac from HP's site and see them that way.
3. If they're parallel printers, you can run PC MacLan from Miramar
Systems (www.miramarsys.com) on the PCs they're connected to in order to
get them to show up on the network as AppleTalk PostScript printers. PC
MacLan is not the greatest utility for file sharing, but it works OK for
printing. Saved me a boatload of work at Seybold last fall.
4. You can also get JetDirect (or similar) boxes for parallel printers.
They've got Ethernet and parallel connectors so you can stick parallel
printers on an Ethernet network and talk to them a lot of different ways.
I find these boxes to be a big pain in the neck. If anyone finds a good
one that's easy to configure, let me know. I used the Axis one and I
hated it.
(Rant) What really sucks about networking printers is that it costs so
much in time and extra equipment that you can usually save money by just
buying more printers, unless they're really big expensive ones you're
trying to share, but those are usually EASY to share. (Rant off)
- Mark Malson
Color Savvy Systems Limited
mmalson@fuse.net
mmalson@colorsavvy.com
Subject: Re: Printing with IP from Mac to Win network
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:46:02 -0400
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Hello!
Please see my comments inline...
At 05:31 AM 4/16/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>Short Question: I'm trying to get postscript printouts from an HP8000 and=
a
>>Xerox 32N which live on the PC side of our network.
>>
>
>Here are some other things to try. All may not apply cuz I'm not familiar
>with the details of your printers.
>
>1. You said they both have NT Queues associated with them? You should be
>able to turn on Mac Printing on the NT Server and you'll be able to see
>both of those guys as AppleTalk PostScript printers. This even works for
>non PostScript printers -- NT's Printing Services for Mac (or whatever
>it's called) has a PostScript RIP for PCL printers built in. It's
>EXCRUCIATINGLY slow, however.
This is actually only a Level 1 PostScript=AE RIP; and its speed is
dependant on where you set the Priority slider as well as the CPU and disk
speed...
>2. If they're Ethernet-connected printers, you should be able to
>configure the printers themselves to be AppleTalk PostScript printers. If
>they have HP JetDirect cards, you can download the JetAdmin software for
>your Mac from HP's site and see them that way.
This only applies if you have installed the PostScript SIMM in the printer.
>3. If they're parallel printers, you can run PC MacLan from Miramar
>Systems (www.miramarsys.com) on the PCs they're connected to in order to
>get them to show up on the network as AppleTalk PostScript printers. PC
>MacLan is not the greatest utility for file sharing, but it works OK for
>printing. Saved me a boatload of work at Seybold last fall.
>
>4. You can also get JetDirect (or similar) boxes for parallel printers.
>They've got Ethernet and parallel connectors so you can stick parallel
>printers on an Ethernet network and talk to them a lot of different ways.
>I find these boxes to be a big pain in the neck. If anyone finds a good
>one that's easy to configure, let me know. I used the Axis one and I
>hated it.
Also check out GDT, err, InfoWave PowerPrint servers with StyleScript CPS
RIP's at:
<http://www.infowave.com/print/infowave_PowerPrintNetworkintro.htm>.
>(Rant) What really sucks about networking printers is that it costs so
>much in time and extra equipment that you can usually save money by just
>buying more printers, unless they're really big expensive ones you're
>trying to share, but those are usually EASY to share. (Rant off)
Yeah, you get what you pay for... Duhhhh! :)
>
>- Mark Malson
> Color Savvy Systems Limited
> mmalson@fuse.net
> mmalson@colorsavvy.com
Cheers!
Dan
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Subject: Re: list traffic (WinMac Digest #285 - 04/15/99)
From: "David McKnight" <dmcknight@fleetwood.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:12:45 -0700
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MARC:
My point was not about filtering, it was about relevance, and
that was...
>With the number of cross-platform users on this list, A
>discussion of Apple on Intel or Alpha (perhaps aside from
>rumor-mongering) is both interesting and relevant.
Marc, I know you are trying to do what's best for the list. I've
been in the communications business for a lot of years, though,
and I've come to accept that you just can't make everybody happy
-- as much as you'd like to. People WILL sign off the list no
matter what you do or what position you take on any topic. The
vocal ones will sign off with a complaint -- it doesn't mean the
majority of the list feels the same way any more than a focus
group provides you quantitative research data.
I stay on the list because I find it a *valuable* resource. Do
you think I read every posting? Of course not. I read the ones
that are relevant to issues that I'm dealing with or with
questions about which I may be able to contribute. There have
been entire digests of which I have scanned the headers and
deleted without reading. I would be willing to venture the
majority of your subscribers do something similar. In fact, I'd
be shocked if more than a small percentage read all of a digest
(except those rare single postings).
This week you'll lose someone who is irritated by my stand on
this issue. *Next* week, you'll lose someone who is irritated by
yours. Most will simply unsubscribe, and you'll never know why.
Accept it. This is THE Windows-MacOS cooperation list after all,
and all related opinions and ideas should be tolerated. That's in
the spirit of the internet.
It would be great if everyone could be a diplomat. But then
that's just not the real world. People are passionate and
participate in the list over the long haul because they feel a
certain sense of ownership and belonging. I know this is the only
list *I* feel that way about. And I post it rather than send it
off-list *because* it is relevant to the future of the list.
Remember, Marc, the value of this list is the concept you brought
to it to discuss cross-platform issues -- the *equity*, though,
is your membership. Not your casual members. Your diehards.
I guarantee you, someone is reading this shaking their heads and
saying, "what a nut" (referring to me of course, and probably in
harsher terms). At the same time I can also guarantee you someone
else is nodding their head up and down, thinking something
similar about you. The point is, they're getting the message, and
making up their own minds. To maintain the equity in your list,
just accept it. Or risk creating something bland and without
character that some people will love because it's that way -- but
your real equity members will hate for the same reason. It's up
to you...
DAVID
P.S. Of course your third option is to eliminate chance from the
equation altogether. Hire some professional writers on the
subject. Be or get an editor, and publish a for-profit
newsletter. There's probably a market for that, too. I'd
subscribe to an advertising-supported newsletter on this topic.
But it wouldn't be as much fun!
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> Subject: list traffic
> From: Marc Bizer <mlbizer@mail.utexas.edu>
> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:17:52 -0500
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> On 4/15/99 at 11:36 AM -0700, David McKnight wrote:
>> I've said it before, if someone doesn't want to read a message, they
>> should simply skip over it. Seems to be the obvious and easy answer.
>
> I'm sorry, but there are many subscribers to the list who simply do
> not like to have their mailboxes flooded with messages with very
> little new content, musings on vaporware, oblique attacks on Steve
> Jobs, etc. They don't want to have to set up special filters or have
> to continually use the delete key. I know because they have told me
> when they have unsubscribed. And we have lost some valuable list
> members.
>
> --Marc
Subject: An invitation for a new list
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:01:10 -0400
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Good afternoon, all!
For those of us who have to deal with NT-MacOS integration issues, I would
like to invite you to join a new, low-traffic list I created yesterday: The
Mac-NT listserv. Unlike the WinMac list that deals with ALL Windows
platforms, this list is more intended for LAN & enterprise needs.
-> And *no,* I will not be leaving you all. :)
It's important to note that the Mac-NT list is a COMPANION to the WinMac
list, and NOT a competitor. Yes, there will be some overlap; but mostly the
Mac-NT list will "fan out" towards the enterprise level and less towards
home users.
In addition, there are already some heavy-duty "lurkers" on the list, so
the info quality will be high.
WHY A NEW LIST?
If the Mac is going to survive, it needs to be a good "corporate citizen"
and integrate well into not just *nix networks but also NT networks. The
DHCP (Mac client <-> NT DHCP) connectivity issue comes first to mind. NT's
Services For Macintosh vs DAVE is another. Backing up and archiving Mac
files on NT Server solutions (such as clusters) is yet another. AFP over IP
is yet another...
Also, hopefully this will cut down on the contention between subscribers
to the WinMac list... It's hard to please ALL the people ALL of the time!
To join, just point your browser to:
<http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Mac-NT> and select whether you want
individual messages or a digest form.
Yours truly,
Daniel L. Schwartz,
Electrical Engineer.
Dan's Macintosh Consulting
239 Great Road
Maple Shade, NJ 08052
609-642-7666
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